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Alice (Enoch’s Thread) Never forget that win-lose is not always measurable. It can also be perceptual. There are those who will always feel a loss at someone else’s gain, even if doesn’t specifically have anything to do with them. This is partly why the successful practice of the art by organized religions so quickly became broken; Their initial successes led others to develop counter magic. http://www.bugbitten.com/photos/Europe/Emmylou/Carmies_Murder_Mystery_Bday/12495-1406-374864.htmlhttp://www.asteriusonline.com/13thWR/issue08/erianne.htmshapeimage_9_link_0shapeimage_9_link_1
Doreen (Enoch’s Thread) Yes, there can be victimless magic, but it is rare in form and when practiced it is recognized by its lack of association with loss or ill will by anyone. This kind of magic seldom amounts to much. It manifests itself in synchronicities and faith healing. http://www.carl-jung.net/synchronicity.htmlshapeimage_10_link_0shapeimage_10_link_1